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Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
CARE WORKERS 'FAILED VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE'
By Mark Macaskill and Jason Allardyce

The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1725114,00.html

A DAMNING report into the collapse of one of Scotland's biggest child
sex investigations will state that the children were subjected to
years of physical and sexual abuse.

The inquiry into the satanic abuse investigation in the Western Isles
will demand a radical overhaul of Scotland's child protection system
in the wake of the fiasco.

Seven men and one woman were arrested in 2003 in a series of
co-ordinated raids on the Isle of Lewis and in Dorset, Leicestershire
and West Yorkshire.

They were charged with sex offences involving girls under the aged of
16. However, all charges were dropped without explanation by the Crown
Office last year.

Nevertheless, the report, by the Social Work Inspection Agency (SWIA),
concludes that there was clear evidence that the children had been
subjected to "severe and prolonged abuse" of a physical and sexual
nature "over many years".

The report, which runs to more than 150 pages and is due to be
published later this month, adds that the "disturbing" case has
"serious implications for all those involved in delivering child
protection services in Scotland".

It identifies a range of shortcomings in the way information on
vulnerable children is shared between the police, health and social
workers and makes 31 recommendations to plug the gaps. In light of the
findings, ministers are drawing up plans to reform the way testimony
is gathered by lawyers from alleged child abuse victims.

Meanwhile, solicitors acting for some of those wrongly accused have
warned that the report could lead to legal action against Western
Isles council if social workers are found to have acted negligently.
The findings will also reignite calls for an explanation as to why the
18-month police investigation - spanning four forces, 100 officers and
costing more than 100,000 - collapsed and why the girls' abusers have
not been brought to justice.

The case has echoes of the Orkney child abuse scandal in 1991, when
nine children were placed in care following allegations of ritual
abuse by their parents and a minister. However, the 133-day
investigation collapsed due to lack of evidence.

The SWIA inquiry, carried out at the behest of Western Isles council,
examined about 220,000 documents amassed during the Lewis
investigation.

"There are a number of recommendations which are far-reaching and will
mainly affect the social work and health agencies, but there are
implications for across Scotland and beyond," said a source close to
the Scottish executive. "One of the things that leaps out is that
those involved in the case are in absolutely no doubt the children
were very badly sexually and physically abused."

The report also urges ministers to tighten up the guidelines on
obtaining testimonies from child witnesses in cases involving a large
number of alleged victims and abusers.

Under measures to be announced by ministers later this year, defence
and prosecution lawyers would lose the right to question alleged child
abuse victims separately. Instead they will be required to agree a
line of questioning to be made by a professional agent during
videotaped interviews.

Last night Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish National party shadow justice
minister, demanded the rapid implementation of the report's
recommendations. "Clearly, disturbing lessons will yet again be
learnt," he said. "It is a very difficult area for all authorities but
co-operation across borders and jurisdictions is fundamental in this
modern age."

Last week, some of those arrested on Lewis said they were still
furious at the way they had been treated and dismissed the report's
finding that the children had been abused.

"My name is still mud, I lost everything, I lost my job, my car was
vandalised," said Neil Stretton, 51, who now lives in Leicestershire.
"I'm not surprised they insist there was sexual abuse, I would say
they are covering their backs."

"A lot of people have been waiting for this report, for some
explanation as to why so many innocent people were treated like
criminals," added Ian Campbell, who was taken from his home and
confined to a safe house for six months.

"We want it to be made public how this investigation was carried out,
how the information was gathered and interpreted, because that's
what's been hidden from the public."

===========================
Also see longer article here:

FOCUS: ISLAND STRIFE

Those whose lives were wrecked by false claims of satanic abuse on
Lewis will find little solace in the official report into the scandal,
says Mark Macaskill

The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1724965,00.html

-- 
Brave New Britain
Date:Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:50:23 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
"Brave New Britain"  wrote in message
news:f4mbf11ootg6vi6prsd4s5dlndnv6prvcc@4ax.com...

> CARE WORKERS 'FAILED VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE'
> By Mark Macaskill and Jason Allardyce
>
> The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1725114,00.html
>
> A DAMNING report into the collapse of one of Scotland's biggest child
> sex investigations will state that the children were subjected to
> years of physical and sexual abuse.
>
> The inquiry into the satanic abuse investigation in the Western Isles
> will demand a radical overhaul of Scotland's child protection system
> in the wake of the fiasco.
>
....

>
> "We want it to be made public how this investigation was carried out,
> how the information was gathered and interpreted, because that's
> what's been hidden from the public."
>
> ===========================
> Also see longer article here:
>
> FOCUS: ISLAND STRIFE
>
> Those whose lives were wrecked by false claims of satanic abuse on
> Lewis will find little solace in the official report into the scandal,
> says Mark Macaskill
>
> The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1724965,00.html
>
> --
> Brave New Britain


http://www.adsw.org.uk/news_detail.cfm?news_ID=483
"
People's views are central to SWIA's independent inspections and reviews.
SWIA always consults with service users, carers, front line staff and their
managers. "

No mention of using evidence except in this sense
"SWIA aims to make a major contribution to the health and wellbeing of
Scotland in the 21st century by using evidence from inspections and reviews
to inform and improve social work practice and policy"

and from
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/articles/article.asp?liarticleid=49671&liSect
ionID=22&sKeys="Social+Work+Inspection+Agency"&liParentID=26

"One of our key principles is to make the best use of information already
available from other inspectorates and surveys - we won't be asking for addi
tional reports. We will put a lot of emphasis on the reading and the
analytical process so we have the fullest picture in advance"

So just more biased testimony and no independent evidence
and so it goes on and on.


Exposing corrupt Wiltshire social workers
http://www.oldbury.chat.ru/nutteing3.htm
or nutteing3 in a search engine

Valid email nutteing@fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
it is defunct due to spam.
Date:Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:10:24 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
"Brave New Britain"  wrote in message
news:f4mbf11ootg6vi6prsd4s5dlndnv6prvcc@4ax.com...

> CARE WORKERS 'FAILED VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE'
> By Mark Macaskill and Jason Allardyce
>
> The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1725114,00.html
>
> A DAMNING report into the collapse of one of Scotland's biggest child
> sex investigations will state that the children were subjected to
> years of physical and sexual abuse.
>
> The inquiry into the satanic abuse investigation in the Western Isles
> will demand a radical overhaul of Scotland's child protection system
> in the wake of the fiasco.
>
....

>
> "We want it to be made public how this investigation was carried out,
> how the information was gathered and interpreted, because that's
> what's been hidden from the public."
>
> ===========================
> Also see longer article here:
>
> FOCUS: ISLAND STRIFE
>
> Those whose lives were wrecked by false claims of satanic abuse on
> Lewis will find little solace in the official report into the scandal,
> says Mark Macaskill
>
> The Sunday Times, UK: 7 August 2005
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1724965,00.html
>
> --
> Brave New Britain


http://www.adsw.org.uk/news_detail.cfm?news_ID=483
"
People's views are central to SWIA's independent inspections and reviews.
SWIA always consults with service users, carers, front line staff and their
managers. "

No mention of using evidence except in this sense
"SWIA aims to make a major contribution to the health and wellbeing of
Scotland in the 21st century by using evidence from inspections and reviews
to inform and improve social work practice and policy"

and from
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/articles/article.asp?liarticleid=49671&liSect
ionID=22&sKeys="Social+Work+Inspection+Agency"&liParentID=26

"One of our key principles is to make the best use of information already
available from other inspectorates and surveys - we won't be asking for addi
tional reports. We will put a lot of emphasis on the reading and the
analytical process so we have the fullest picture in advance"

So just more biased testimony and no independent evidence
and so it goes on and on.


Exposing corrupt Wiltshire social workers
http://www.oldbury.chat.ru/nutteing3.htm
or nutteing3 in a search engine

Valid email nutteing@fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
it is defunct due to spam.
Date:Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:10:24 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
Brave New Britain wrote:

> 
> ...


Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.

-- 
I don't know who you are Sir, or where you come from, 
but you've done me a power of good.
Date:Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC)   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
Jim Spriggs wrote:

> Brave New Britain wrote:
> >
> > ...
>
> Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>


It's what devil whorshipers do apparently. It's their religion.

On Lewis not attending church regularly qualifies as being devil
worship and must by implication involve child abuse.

Wasn't this the case where the chief accuser had a previous history of
making bogus allegations on the mainland (somehow she discovered some
non church goers there also) but social services and police still went
ahead with the arrests.
Date:7 Aug 2005 09:10:18 -0700   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:10:18 -0700, allan tracy wrote:


> It's what devil whorshipers do apparently. It's their religion.
> 
> On Lewis not attending church regularly qualifies as being devil
> worship and must by implication involve child abuse.
> 
> Wasn't this the case where the chief accuser had a previous history of
> making bogus allegations on the mainland (somehow she discovered some
> non church goers there also) but social services and police still went
> ahead with the arrests.


Yes, that's the one. Apparently this loony is evidence that there was
child abuse.

Which, of course, there wasn't.
Date:Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:20:42 +0000   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On 7 Aug 2005 09:10:18 -0700, "allan tracy"
 wrote:


>
>Jim Spriggs wrote:
>> Brave New Britain wrote:
>> >
>> > ...
>>
>> Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>>
>
>It's what devil whorshipers do apparently. It's their religion.
>
>On Lewis not attending church regularly qualifies as being devil
>worship and must by implication involve child abuse.
>
>Wasn't this the case where the chief accuser had a previous history of
>making bogus allegations on the mainland (somehow she discovered some
>non church goers there also) but social services and police still went
>ahead with the arrests.


You should have read my other link [ 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1724965,00.html ]:

So why was the allegation of ritual abuse in Lewis given so much
credence? The explanation could lie with the involvement of Angela
Stretton, 37, an islander and crucial witness in the case.

Initially, the Lewis case involved allegations against two
individuals, who were accused of touching children in an inappropriate
way.

However, after Stretton became involved, the number of suspects rose
to eight. She is believed to have made claims to police of satanic
rituals, at which she maintained adults were filmed having sex with
children. Her evidence included lurid claims of animal sacrifice and
orgies.

It later emerged that Stretton had been convicted of making false
allegations of child abuse in the Midlands in 1987 and that the police
in Scotland were aware of her history when they decided to press
charges in the Lewis case.

Stretton's brother, David Disney, who was wrongly accused in the Lewis
case, said at the time: "She's a very sick person and the authorities
should have known that... she has a long history of making false
allegations about sex abuse."
Date:Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:01:41 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
"Jim Spriggs" <jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:42F6235A.BF4FFE3E@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid...

> Brave New Britain wrote:
> >
> > ...
>
> Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.


Its being forced to listen to the satanic verses.


>
> --
> I don't know who you are Sir, or where you come from,
> but you've done me a power of good.
Date:Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC)   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC), Jim Spriggs
<jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> wrote:


>Brave New Britain wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>
>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.


It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.

-- 
Cynic
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:34:54 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:34:54 +0100, Cynic 
wrote:


>On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC), Jim Spriggs
><jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Brave New Britain wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>
>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>
>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.


Not entirely it would seem:

MET DEFENDS SATANIC ABUSE COURSE

BBC News, UK: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4114227.stm

The Metropolitan Police Force has been criticised for sending its
officers on a course which helps identify the satanic ritual abuse of
children.

The force sent 30 officers on the one-day event in October but has
been criticised by some experts who say the ritual abuse does not
exist.
 
There are 400 officers who work for the Met's child abuse team.

Its commander Det Ch Supt Peter Spindler said they were keeping an
open mind when looking at child abuse cases.
 
Previous research commissioned by the government into ritual satanic
abuse (RSA) followed in the wake of a number of local authority
scandals, where claims were found to be without foundation. 

These included clusters of allegations, such as the Orkneys and
Rochdale cases in 1991 where dozens of children were removed from
their homes by social workers.

Professor Jean La Fontaine, an anthropologist, was asked in 1994 by
the Department of Health to carry out investigation into abuse claims.

She told BBC News "I feel quite strongly that the pursuit of exotic
cases which are categorised as Satanic is actually detracting from our
search of abusers of children in less exotic ways.

"Ten years on, and I would expect the information and conclusions to
have been assimilated into everybody's approach to solving cases of
this sort.

Lessons not learnt

"But it appears the lessons have not yet been learnt."

But barrister Lee Moore, who runs the awareness course, said: "I do
believe SRA exists because as a lawyer you have to look at the
evidence and ask why psychologists, psychiatrists, police, lawyers up
and down the country, and abroad, are receiving similar accounts from
people who have never met each other."

Mr Spindler defended the decision to go on the course, saying: "If
survivors of abuse are telling us that this is the type of thing they
have experienced in the past, then we need to be open minded."

Dr Richard Hoskins, who runs a consultancy called Religion and Crime,
advised the team looking at the "Adam" case, where the headless,
limbless body of an African boy was found in the Thames.

The Met believes he was the victim of ritual murder.

Dr Hoskins says the scientific scepticism surrounding SRA may now need
to be reviewed.

"Unless we are being racist, if religiously motivated crime exists in
one culture then it can, potentially, occur in every culture," he
said.

"The danger, of course, is going back to the position we were in 20
years ago where certain people were looking for it under every stone
and round every corner making out this was massive organised abuse.

"That's going too far. We just need a balanced line here."
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:21 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:21 +0100, Brave New Britain 
wrote:


>>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>>
>>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.
>
>Not entirely it would seem:
>
>MET DEFENDS SATANIC ABUSE COURSE
>
>BBC News, UK: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4114227.stm



Oh no!

That means more botched cases where the innocent are victimised and
the guilty go free.  And the ones who end up suffering the most are
the children.

-- 
Cynic
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:12:56 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
Brave New Britain  wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:34:54 +0100, Cynic 

>>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.

>>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.
 
> Not entirely it would seem:
 
> MET DEFENDS SATANIC ABUSE COURSE
 
> BBC News, UK: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4114227.stm
 
> The Metropolitan Police Force has been criticised for sending its
> officers on a course which helps identify the satanic ritual abuse of
> children.
 
[snip]

> Dr Richard Hoskins, who runs a consultancy called Religion and Crime,
> advised the team looking at the "Adam" case, where the headless,
> limbless body of an African boy was found in the Thames.
 
> The Met believes he was the victim of ritual murder.
 
> Dr Hoskins says the scientific scepticism surrounding SRA may now need
> to be reviewed.
 
> "Unless we are being racist, if religiously motivated crime exists in
> one culture then it can, potentially, occur in every culture," he
> said.


Ho, hum... bring out the buzzword 'racist'. And then try to mix it
up with 'religion' and 'culture'.

I don't see many Anglicans chopping up children for ritual murder.

Even if any of the alleged 'Satantic abuse' cases were to be proved
true, it would probably just be some people using that as an excuse
for getting their jollies rather than any fundamental belief in
Satanism as a religion.

Must be a profitable line of work to be able to spout such nonsense.

Axel
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:34:24 GMT   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:34:54 +0100, Cynic  wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC), Jim Spriggs
><jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Brave New Britain wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>
>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>
>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.

I seem to recall hearing that the initial bout of SRA accusations only arose
after an American psychologist had completed a lecture tour of Britain and had
suggested that it was a very common form of child abuse?
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:21 +0100, Brave New Britain wrote:

> 
> But barrister Lee Moore, who runs the awareness course, said: "I do
> believe SRA exists because as a lawyer you have to look at the
> evidence and ask why psychologists, psychiatrists, police, lawyers up
> and down the country, and abroad, are receiving similar accounts from
> people who have never met each other."


Is this the same Lee Moore who runs the Association of Child Abuse
Lawyers, i.e. profits by this nonsense.

The answer to dumbo's question is that they don't receive accounts ; the
create them through going on courses like this one.

Police, Social Workers et al, repeatedly ask questions, bully etc., then
if they child nods their head then they simply state that the child made
the disclosure that they've been telling them for the last hour or six.


> Mr Spindler defended the decision to go on the course, saying: "If
> survivors of abuse are telling us that this is the type of thing they
> have experienced in the past, then we need to be open minded."


Dickhead.
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:52:24 +0000   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:12:56 +0100, Cynic wrote:


> 
> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:21 +0100, Brave New Britain 
> wrote:
> 
>>>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>>>
>>>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>>>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.
>>
>>Not entirely it would seem:
>>
>>MET DEFENDS SATANIC ABUSE COURSE
>>
>>BBC News, UK: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4114227.stm
> 
> 
> Oh no!
> 
> That means more botched cases where the innocent are victimised and
> the guilty go free.  And the ones who end up suffering the most are
> the children.


I think there are *no* guilty people in Satanic Abuse cases.

There are people who get their rocks off by Satanic nookie, people who
follow wierd religious cult stuff which may involve children (though I
suspect that's bollocks).

Organised rings who procure children for sexual activities involving
Satanic rituals ..... well, produce ONE would be a start.
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:54:21 +0000   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:54:21 +0000, Paul Robson
 wrote:


>> That means more botched cases where the innocent are victimised and
>> the guilty go free.  And the ones who end up suffering the most are
>> the children.
>
>I think there are *no* guilty people in Satanic Abuse cases.


Perhaps nobody who is guilty of satanic abuse, no.  There may well be
one or two people who are guilty of the garden-variety abuse who would
have been brought to justice has not over-enthusiastic "experts"
decided that those couple of cases were the tip of an iceberg, and
started throwing allegations at most of the people in the town.  Which
then ends up discrediting the entire thing, and the guilty go free
after they have all been totally traumatised by the experience.

-- 
Cynic
Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:09:11 +0100   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, AlexS wrote:


>On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:34:54 +0100, Cynic  wrote:
>>On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC), Jim Spriggs
>><jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Brave New Britain wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>Please tell us what _satanic_ child abuse is.
>>
>>It is a fairy-story that nobody except social workers believe in.  the
>>police also used to believe in it once, but they grew out of it.
>I seem to recall hearing that the initial bout of SRA accusations only arose
>after an American psychologist had completed a lecture tour of Britain and had
>suggested that it was a very common form of child abuse?



I once saw a social services manager being pinned down to say exactly
what was Satanic Ritual Abuse.

His reply staggered me.

He said Satanic is what all abuse is because it is the work of the
Devil.

Ritual is abuse that is carried out more than once.

Abuse was, at least, the normal person's idea of abuse.

I thought it interesting that he said he was a born again Christian.

Did anyone else see the TV programme After Dark that dealt with this
many years ago. It was fascinating.
Date:Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:49:04 GMT   Author:  

Re: Satanic child abuse in Lewis true according to new report   
Brave New Britain wrote:
 

> Dr Hoskins says 
> 
> "... if religiously motivated crime exists ..." 


I don't doubt that religiously motivated crime exists.  Nor do I doubt
that some children are sexually molested.  But what makes child
molestation "satanic"?

-- 
I don't know who you are Sir, or where you come from, 
but you've done me a power of good.
Date:Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:01:18 +0000 (UTC)   Author: